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1. UK Debian travel to Debconf 5 in Helsinki, Finland, 2005

Debconf site is at http://www.debconf.org/debconf5/ for more details.

Core conference dates are Sunday 10th July to Sunday 17th July, unless Andreas has made the same fence-post mistake as last year.

1.1. People

Add your name below if you're interested in travelling in a group.

Also fill in the dates you'd prefer to travel.

Name	Nick	DD?	Location	Preferred Dates and flights
SteveMcIntyre	Sledge	Yes	Cambridge	Group 1 below
DavidPashley	JD	hahaha	Brighton	Group 1 below
Robert McQueen	Robot101	Yes	Cambridge/Cardiff	Group 1 below
JonMasters	jcm	No	Reading	Unlikely to be going, at OLS et al.
BenHutchings	Womble2	No	Cambridge	9th (EZ3445) to 18th (EZ3446) via Tallinn
NattieMayerHutchings	nattie	Like, no	Cambridge	9th (EZ3445) to 18th (EZ3446) via Tallinn
RobTaylor	robtaylor	Nope	Cambridge	Group 1 below
MarkBrown	broonie	Yes	Edinburgh
JonathanMcDowell	Noodles	Yes	Norwich	9th (KL1502) to 18th (KL1164) Norwich -> Amsterdam -> Helsinki
PhilHands	fil	Yes	N.E. London	Group 1 below
Vince Sanders	kyllikki	yup	Leeds
DafyddHarries	daf	No	Bridgend
Paul Sladen	sladen	No	London	who knows...
Ian Jackson		Yes	Cambridge	9th (BA798) to 18th (BA795) - GBP 165
Simon Kelley		Yes	Cambridge	Group 1 below
ScottJamesRemnant	Keybuk	Yes	Birmingham	Group 1 below
MorayAllan	moray

Sledge: I'll add links to flight information etc. as I cba.

Womble2: Here are the prices I found (updated 2005-03-07):

Airport	Additional travel	Airline	Departure airport	Fare including additional travel	Fare reduction for other dates
Helsinki	local bus	Finnair/BA	Heathrow	£161 + a little = ~£165	£10 less if returning on morning of 17th
Tallinn	ferry, 1.5 hours	Easyjet	Stansted	£121 + EUR40 = ~£145	£45 less if returning on 16th or 19th
Tampere	bus, 2.5 hours	Ryanair	Stansted	£184 + EUR50 = ~£219	£40 less if going on 11th, £20 less if returning on 19th
Stockholm	ferry, 16-17 hours	Ryanair	Luton or Stansted	£73 + EUR74 = ~£124 (no cabin, group rate)	no

moray: I'm planning to go, but will be travelling from Edinburgh - though it looks like flying via London may be sensible.

broonie: Me too.

Wookey: I'm coming. Probably for 3 days. Will do an embedded workshop with the maemo guys.

Womble2: KLM will fly you from Edinburgh to Helsinki via Schiphol for about £200.

JD: Gatwick is good for me, Heathrow isn't too bad. Stansted is a little more stressful, but more than doable.

mhy: I'll be going; travelling from Manchester direct to Helsinki.

jcm: Looking like Helsinki but I won't book this until nearer the time. Are we actually going to organise a group out of Heathrow?

sladen: I prefer to travel overland where I can. I'm likely to go via Oslo for something a week before, so it might make sense to get an [http://www.interrailnet.com/passes.dhtml?country_id=28,language_id=11,type_country=I Interrail]/[http://www.scanrail.com/template/article.asp?aid=60&folder_id=31 Scanrail] pass and go travelling with the Brompton for the week in between that and Debconf itself; possibly cheating with Stanstead->Torp as a starting point...

1.2. Flights

Sledge: for people in the SE of England, I think Heathrow direct is probably best. At the moment, [http://www.expedia.co.uk Expedia] lists the following BA flights that might be of interest. Looks like BA and Finnair are code-sharing, and BA are mostly cheaper for any given flight combo, so I'm only listing the BA flight numbers. All times are LOCAL, i.e. BST and BST + 2.

I'm ignoring flights via Prague that save GBP 3 but add over 2 hours on the journey time. Costs for these flights seem to be ~GBP 165 for a cheap flight (evening flight from Heathrow, morning back from HEL), or ~GBP 190 for other options.

Noodles: I'm tempted to go for a flight from Norwich - it's via Amsterdam and costs £40 more, but saves me travelling all the way to Heathrow. There's a 16:30->22:30 on Fri 8th and a 06:40->09:30 on Monday 18th. And it's 10 minutes or so to the airport from home. It's close enough in timings to the BA798 that I could still meet people at Helsinki airport for onward travel though.

nattie: Anybody wishing to join us in travelling to Helsinki via Tallinn is more than welcome to do so. We will meet up with the rest of the group in Helsinki on Saturday afternoon in order to get Matthew drunk on his birthday We return to Tallinn on Sunday the 17th, spend the evening and night there, and return UK-wards on Monday morning.

Ian Jackson: I'll be on the same flight back, but am travelling out a day later than you,

1.2.1. Flights out

Flight no	Depart LHR	Arrive HEL
Friday 8th
BA 794	12:20	17:15
BA 6080	16:10	21:05
BA 798	18:00	22:55
Saturday 9th
BA 6036	07:30	12:25
BA 794	12:20	17:15
BA 798	18:00	22:55
Sunday 10th
BA 6032	10:20	15:15
BA 6080	16:10	21:05

1.2.2. Flights back

Flight no	Depart HEL	Arrive LHR
Sunday 17th
BA 795	07:40	09:00
BA 6037	11:25	12:35
BA 799	18:15	19:25
BA 6035	19:30	20:40
Monday 18th
BA 795	07:40	09:00
BA 799	18:15	19:25
BA 6035	19:30	20:40
Tuesday 19th
BA 795	07:40	09:00
BA 799	18:15	19:25

1.2.3. Travel groups

1.2.3.1. Group 1

Out 8th (BA798) LHR 18:00 - HEL 22:55
Back 18th (BA795) HEL 07:40 - LHR 09:00
Sledge, JD, robtaylor, Robot101, fil, Simon Kelley, Keybuk
Flights now booked for these 7 people

Sledge: I've got a debian-cd hack session on the 9th...

1.2.3.2. Group 2

Out 9th (EZ3445) STN 06:45 - TLL 11:40, (Nordic Jet Line) Tallinn 15:00 - Helsinki 16:40
Back 17th (Nordic Jet Line) Helsinki 12:25 - Tallinn 14:05, 18th (EZ3446) TLL 12:05 - STN 12:55
womble2, nattie

1.2.3.3. Group <N>

1.3. Accomodation

Sledge: There was a brief idea to get hostel places elsewhere, but they petered out and apathy won...

Noodles: We're hoping to get one of the apartments to share; these have 2, 3 or 4 small rooms that each hold 3 (see http://www.debconf.org/debconf5/about/accomodation). If you're interested, add your name below, but do so soon as room allocations are being decided at present (2005-06-01).

Marga: You have now been allocated the whole 5th floor, which has 3 apartments comprising of 2, 2 and 3 small rooms respectively and one big room. Each small room has a bed, large room has 2.

Apartment 1 (3 people per room)
- Room 1: BenHutchings, NattieMayerHutchings (feel the love)
- Room 2: DavidPashley (Would prefer bed), Matthew Garrett (feel the love)
Apartment 2 (3 people per room)
- Room 1: SteveMcIntyre (bed), JonathanMcDowell, ScottJamesRemnant
- Room 2: Robert McQueen (bed if poss :D), Paul Sladen (floor), Simon Kelley
Apartment 3 (2/3 people per room)
- Room 1: MorayAllan (bed preferred), wookey (floor is fine)
- Room 2: MarkBrown (bed if poss, or grouped above). RobTaylor (very happy on an air bed, thankyouverymuch)
- Room 3: PhilHands
Large Room (6 people, 2 beds):

Did anything happen about the plan raised on the debconf list at some point to acquire bedding in bulk? (This could make the lot of those who end up on the floor less terrible.)

Marga: those that don't get a bed can ask for a matress. Please do it here, as well.

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-||SteveMcIntyre      ||Sledge     ||Yes         ||Cambridge     ||8th (BA798) to 18th (BA795) - GBP 165||
||David Pashley      ||JD         ||hahaha      ||Brighton      ||
||JonMasters         ||jcm        ||No          ||Reading       ||
||BenHutchings       ||Womble2    ||No          ||Cambridge     ||
||NattieMayerHutchings||nattie    ||Like, ''no''||Cambridge     ||
||RobTaylor          ||robtaylor  ||Nope        ||Cambridge     ||
||MarkBrown          ||broonie    ||Yes         ||Edinburgh     ||
||JonathanMcDowell   ||Noodles    ||Yes         ||Norwich       ||
||PhilHands          ||fil        ||Yes         ||N.E. London   ||
||VinceSanders       ||kyllikki   ||yup         ||Leeds         ||
+||SteveMcIntyre      ||Sledge     ||Yes         ||Cambridge     ||Group 1 below                        ||
||DavidPashley       ||JD         ||hahaha      ||Brighton      ||Group 1 below                        ||
||Robert McQueen     ||Robot101   ||Yes         ||Cambridge/Cardiff||Group 1 below                        ||
||JonMasters         ||jcm        ||No          ||Reading       || Unlikely to be going, at OLS et al. ||
||BenHutchings       ||Womble2    ||No          ||Cambridge     ||9th (EZ3445) to 18th (EZ3446) via Tallinn||
||NattieMayerHutchings||nattie    ||Like, ''no''||Cambridge     ||9th (EZ3445) to 18th (EZ3446) via Tallinn||
||RobTaylor          ||robtaylor  ||Nope        ||Cambridge     ||Group 1 below                        ||
||MarkBrown          ||broonie    ||Yes         ||Edinburgh     || ||
||JonathanMcDowell   ||Noodles    ||Yes         ||Norwich       || 9th (KL1502) to 18th (KL1164) Norwich -> Amsterdam -> Helsinki ||
||PhilHands          ||fil        ||Yes         ||N.E. London   ||Group 1 below                        ||
||Vince Sanders      ||kyllikki   ||yup         ||Leeds         || ||
||DafyddHarries      ||daf        ||No          ||Bridgend      || ||
||Paul Sladen        ||sladen     ||No          ||London        || who knows... ||
||Ian Jackson        ||           ||Yes         ||Cambridge     ||9th (BA798) to 18th (BA795) - GBP 165||
||Simon Kelley       ||           ||Yes         ||Cambridge     ||Group 1 below                        ||
||ScottJamesRemnant  ||Keybuk     ||Yes         ||Birmingham    ||Group 1 below                        ||
||MorayAllan         ||moray      ||            ||              ||                                     ||
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-I'm inclined to take the quick and simple route, though going via Tallinn and spending an extra day there is looking somewhat tempting now.
+'''moray''': I'm planning to go, but will be travelling from Edinburgh - though it looks like flying via London may be sensible.
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-moray: I'm planning to go, but will be travelling from Edinburgh - though it looks like flying via London may be sensible.
broonie: Me too.
+'''broonie''': Me too.
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-Womble2: KLM will fly you from Edinburgh to Helsinki via Schiphol for about £200.
+'''Wookey''': I'm coming. Probably for 3 days. Will do an embedded workshop with the maemo guys.
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-Gatwick is good for me, Heathrow isn't too bad. Stansted is a little more stressful, but more than doable. - JD
+'''Womble2''': KLM will fly you from Edinburgh to Helsinki via Schiphol for about £200.
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-mhy: I'll be going; travelling from Newcastle as usual.  I'll have to check how much cheaper flying via London is.
+'''JD''': Gatwick is good for me, Heathrow isn't too bad. Stansted is a little more stressful, but more than doable.
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-jcm: Looking like Helsinki but I won't book this until nearer the time. Are we actually going to organise a group out of Heathrow?
+'''mhy''': I'll be going; travelling from Manchester direct to Helsinki.

'''jcm''': Looking like Helsinki but I won't book this until nearer the time. Are we actually going to organise a group out of Heathrow?

'''sladen''': I prefer to travel overland where I can.  I'm likely to go via Oslo for something a week before, so it might make sense to get an [http://www.interrailnet.com/passes.dhtml?country_id=28,language_id=11,type_country=I Interrail]/[http://www.scanrail.com/template/article.asp?aid=60&folder_id=31 Scanrail] pass and go travelling with the Brompton for the week in between that and Debconf itself; possibly cheating with Stanstead->Torp as a starting point...
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+'''Noodles''': I'm tempted to go for a flight from Norwich - it's via Amsterdam and costs £40 more, but saves me travelling all the way to Heathrow. There's a 16:30->22:30 on Fri 8th and a 06:40->09:30 on Monday 18th. And it's 10 minutes or so to the airport from home. ;) It's close enough in timings to the BA798 that I could still meet people at Helsinki airport for onward travel though.

'''nattie''': Anybody wishing to join us in travelling to Helsinki via Tallinn is more than welcome to do so.  We will meet up with the rest of the group in Helsinki on Saturday afternoon in order to get Matthew drunk on his birthday :-)  We return to Tallinn on Sunday the 17th, spend the evening and night there, and return UK-wards on Monday morning.

'''Ian Jackson''': I'll be on the same flight back, but am travelling out a day later than you,
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+=== Travel groups ===

==== Group 1 ====

 * Out 8th (BA798) LHR 18:00 - HEL 22:55
 * Back 18th (BA795) HEL 07:40 - LHR 09:00
 * Sledge, JD, robtaylor, Robot101, fil, Simon Kelley, Keybuk
 * '''Flights now booked''' for these 7 people

'''Sledge:''' I've got a debian-cd hack session on the 9th...

==== Group 2 ====

 * Out 9th (EZ3445) STN 06:45 - TLL 11:40, (Nordic Jet Line) Tallinn 15:00 - Helsinki 16:40
 * Back 17th (Nordic Jet Line) Helsinki 12:25 - Tallinn 14:05, 18th (EZ3446) TLL 12:05 - STN 12:55
 * womble2, nattie

==== Group <N> ====

 * ...

== Accomodation ==

'''Sledge:''' There was a brief idea to get hostel places elsewhere,
but they petered out and apathy won... :-)

'''Noodles:''' We're hoping to get one of the apartments to share; these have 2, 3 or 4 small rooms that each
hold 3 (see http://www.debconf.org/debconf5/about/accomodation). If you're interested, add your name below,
but do so soon as room allocations are being decided at present (2005-06-01).

'''Marga''': You have now been allocated the whole 5th floor, which has 3 apartments comprising of 2, 2 and 3 small rooms respectively and one big room. Each small room has a bed, large room has 2.

 * Apartment 1 (3 people per room)
   * Room 1: BenHutchings, NattieMayerHutchings  (feel the love)
   * Room 2: DavidPashley (Would prefer bed), Matthew Garrett (feel the love)

 * Apartment 2 (3 people per room)
   * Room 1: SteveMcIntyre (bed), JonathanMcDowell, ScottJamesRemnant
   * Room 2: Robert McQueen (bed if poss :D), Paul Sladen (floor), Simon Kelley

 * Apartment 3 (2/3 people per room)
   * Room 1: MorayAllan (bed preferred), wookey (floor is fine)
   * Room 2: MarkBrown (bed if poss, or grouped above).  RobTaylor (very happy on an air bed, thankyouverymuch)
   * Room 3: PhilHands

 * Large Room (6 people, 2 beds): 

Did anything happen about the plan raised on the debconf list at some point to acquire bedding in bulk? 
(This could make the lot of those who end up on the floor less terrible.)

'''Marga''': those that don't get a bed can ask for a matress.  '''Please''' do it here, as well.


=== People staying in hotels ===

==== Radisson SAS Espoo ====

 * mhy